I have to say, after reading this guys blog account of his cycling trip in Ghana(which Jim Carter was a part of)it gave me a NEW appreciation of Jim”s heart for goodwill and humanitarianism. (not to mention more *feels* and imaginings about his delicious physical body)
Mmmmmm. Jim’s fitness :) :) :)
Speaking of these two possibly having a past…
Another addition to the “#Caught…” series!From S1, Ep. 7
(they’re technically gifs - but Tumblr may not want to load them completely…).
deeedeeedeeedeee, chelsiefan71, onesimus42, monajo7, mrpoohnminnie, mainly-nonsense Y’all were discussing the pivotal first really personal scene with Carson and Mrs. Hughes in Series 1 and someone asked for a clarification of the script and I think mainly-nonsense asked for a picture of the page(s) in the script. Here you go. I hope this clarifies things. I think there is something to at least Elsie’s feelings toward him at the time (maybe him too). I don’t know….her definitely though.Thank you,olehistorian! See, I thinkonesimus42is right. The way Jim plays it, it seems like he’s apologizing for saying something personally offensive to her. But if you were JUST to read the script, it seems like the apology is because he’s getting hot under the collar talking about the family.
Thank you, olehistorian! and I agree with onesimus42 and chelsiefan71 about the way Jim plays it. And I agree with olehistorian that there seems to be something from her, for sure — the way Phyllis plays it, her reaction (before his apology) looks so pained, and not just from the volume of his voice. Oy, my heart.
Who knows whether Alice was introduced as an afterthought, but I sure like the outcome. i mean, my god, this line — “It changes you from where I’m looking.” It’s delicious.
Thank you for this! And the way Jim plays it, and where things have gone subsequently, does track what Gareth said today about their chemistry and the direction they’ve gone (so far).
That clever Jim, putting up the shipping sails long before we even knew these two lovebirds existed. Now, if they’d only just declare mutiny from Captain Julian (who just keeps this boat in the harbor - daft man) and get their boat moving!
I think if we look in the note where Julian writes “What does she mean?” How do we interpret that? Carson is obviously confused as to her line of questioning. Have they spoken of this before? Is there a past between them? I just thought about that phrase a little. And Phyllis made that comment that she doesn’t read anything extra into the relationship. Please.
I have no doubt that Julian Fellowes had/has no desire to make them a romantic couple. I had even decided from the first to not ship them and hoped there would be nothing between them. Too ‘Remains of the Day’. Then, this scene. For me, it’s not just his apology. I agree that he’s apologizing more for his abruptness than for what he says. What made me ship them was the way Jim Carter played it. They were free and easy with each other. Discussing business. A joke about leaving the rooms made. Then the mood shifts. She asks her question. He gets upset. He looks anywhere but at her. He doesn’t answer her question but turns it back to her. Again, the way Carter plays it is not 100% what JF intended.
Here’s my .02…of course I watched the scene again and again last night. I too agree that the emotion of this scene is all in how Jim played the script. JF likely had no intention initially to pair them romantically because hes so very about following the rules of the times, I think. However…because our big guy and his obvious romantic side, he completely single handedly may have changed the course of their relationship right there in the first episode. I read regret on Phyllis’ face in saying “They’re not our family”, not so much hurt. She seems unphased by going straight into the dialogue about “going another way..” and personally i think that was a goofy thing for her to say at that point….SO much greater things she could’ve said….but that is JF where they are concerned. He’s great but good Lord there have been amazing tender moments that he totally missed…Cora and robert suffer too at his pen (keyboard)!
And this is one of the many reasons that I: a) love Big Jim and b) think he’s under-rated as an actor. I think because he ‘came at it from the circus’ like Imelda says in an interview that a lot of people see him as more of an entertainer and less an actor, but he’s quite the actor IMHO.
Yes, indeed! I agree wholeheartedly! (Other parts of me agree, too!). This is the moment they (he) made us ship it! Right here. The tones of their voices, the looks in their eyes. Jim started it with one, little, teeny instance; Phyllis, lovely as she is, got right on board and played along (though she may be coy and deny it); and a ship was born!
And it sails on :) And let’s face it…You can’t hide that kind of chemistry! Jim and Phyllis light up that screen like no other couple on Downton :) xo
Howdy, Cowgals! Chelsie fan jr., jr., is back with another installment of Butch Carson and the Sundance Housekeeper! She hopes you like it. If you’d be so kind as to leave her a review, she’d love to hear from you, and I’d be grateful, too! Thanks!
Interview with Gareth (info on multiple characters!)
TVLINE | Lastly, when are Carson and Mrs. Hughes going to get together? And was there always a plan for them?
I don’t know what Julian [Fellowes] would answer to that, but I think it has more to do with the chemistry we saw between Jim Carter and Phyllis Logan. I saw them as sort of a husband and wife very early on. Downton is about romantic love and companionship, and in that sense, they are one of the Downton relationships, even if they’re not married. Obviously that was a lovely tease at the end of last season, so we’ll see what happens to them.
Good lord, I’m such a Phyllis fan. I read this:
“TVLINE | Can you say anything about the Dowager Countess’ storyline this season? We hear it’s bigger than normal.
She has a brilliantstoryline this season. … It’s Downton at its best, this storyline. It’s fantastic.”
Well crap, I love the Dowager, but I just see this as yet another way to possibly pass over the likes of Phyllis in the advocacy-for-awards department (like the Emmys this year). Mrs. Hughes kept practically *everything* together last season. She is a champion. And yet she was not given at least a push by the Downton execs for a nod.
Sorry, not sorry, Dowager Countess fans. I’m one of you, but I’m also for giving credit where credit is due for downstairs, as well as upstairs. End rant.
I am in total agreement with everything you said.
Me too!!! Phyllis owned season 4! She is well overdue to be recognized. I would not be watching Downton without her! xo
So, I was in the car today and saw someone with the license plate “X0DUS3 5”, so I thought it was like Exodus 3:5 and I looked it up, and do you know what it said?
"Do not come any closer"
THERE ARE SHIPS MEANT FOR FLUFFY NIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE TV WITH POPCORNS AND CUTE KISSES AND CUDDLES AND THEN THERE ARE SHIPS MEANT FOR HARDCORE ANGRY SEX
so be careful when youre planning your next cruise
Or you could just ship Chelsie and have it all! ;)